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 Post subject: Re: windcontroller example?
PostPosted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 10:58 am 
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You say, "after some parameter adjustments"... what parameters, and what adjustments? I frequently read posts with folks that reference the need for tweaking the instrument, but no one really every spells out the tweaks being referred to. Thanks!


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 Post subject: Re: windcontroller example?
PostPosted: Sat Jan 09, 2010 12:26 am 
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Peter Siedlaczek wrote:
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is the vibrato in the first clip done on the ewi or is it in the samples?

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In the samples.


This answer could be somehow misleading. Our instruments do not use pre-recorded "fixed" vibrato samples, they rather create vibrato by modulating the samples in real time.
That means: vibrato intensity and frequency are entirely in musicians hands. Or lips/teeth :-) , since you can generate vibrato quite easy by either sending appropriate controllers, or - after some parameter adjustments - vibrating the tone yourself using the mouthpiece. Although this technique requires some skills of a "real" wind player, it enables a full, spontaneous control of the instrument.

Peter


Thank you for correcting my incorrect answer so politely.

I was basing my answer on my experience with Kontakt2 (since that time I have also used Kontakt3) and what I found was that the Main Trumpet with the default settings (Windcontroller) has a lot of vibrato all the time, whereas the other trumpets (T3, T2, German, Pic, Flugel) have very little and I could not at the timeproduce vibrato by squeezing the mouthpiece of the EWI-USB. So, I was led, incorrectly to the conclusion that the amount of vibrato was tied to the instrument.

Surprisingly with Kontakt3.5, the Main Trumpet does not differ as much from the other trumpets with respect to the vibrato with default wind controller settings using the EWI-USB, but in fact I have finally figured out that I can change the Vibrato senstitivity using the Controllers 1 menu, so I realized that the Vibrato Sensitivity was much higher for the Main Trumpet using the default wind controller settings.

After having read the excellent user manual for the Trumpet including detailed notes on all of the CC settings, I now understand how Vibrato intensity and frequency are very easily modified for all of the Trumpets.

I have had more success with the Sax Bros after some initial problems, but I cannot get the type of sound (breathy Tenor, or a smooth non-raspy sound like Paul Desmond's Alto, or classical Saxophone). So either I don't understand how to set the parameters for this type of sound, or that an entire new set of sound samples need to be made to achieve these types of saxophone instrument voices.

I would appreciate if you would let me know about this last saxophone question.

Thanks very much,

Dan


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 Post subject: Re: windcontroller example?
PostPosted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 4:24 pm 
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Hi Dan,

please note that CC1 controls the vibrato intensity, not sensitivity. This means:
- a wind controller player can use the default vibrato (generated by the instrument), controlled by CC1 (vibrato intensity) and CC19 (vibrato rate), or
- he can play his own vibrato using, for example, the "bite" technique.

In the latter case, additional control can be obtained by properly adjusting the Pitch Sensitivity knob on the Wind Controller menu of The Trumpet. Please try higher settings to make the pitch more responsive to the "biting" of the mouthpiece. Also try higher CC24 settings (in the Trumpet) or CC8 (DynPitch) in the Saxophone, yielding larger pitch deviations on transient changes of the dynamics. These settings need to be individually adjusted to one's windcontroller and playing technique. By trial and error, you will discover that you can remarkably improve your performance, making it more lively, and avoiding static, "dead" notes.

As far as The Sax Brothers are concerned, please note that our instruments are based on samples performed by one player. Nevertheless, they are still capable of producing a wide variety of sounds and styles, as demonstrated by the numerous demos and midi examples available on our website.

Best regards

Peter, Giorgio & Stefano


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 Post subject: Re: windcontroller example?
PostPosted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 7:11 pm 
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I love the ability of the WX-5 to control vibrato via its reed, but you're right that the octave keys are terrible.

Pat


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 Post subject: Re: windcontroller example?
PostPosted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 10:09 am 
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Hi,

You could listen to the trumpet in real time play, with manual vibrato (i do it with the movements of the diaphragm as when i sing ...).

tunes are at :

http://www.zedjazz.biz

regards,


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 Post subject: Re: windcontroller example?
PostPosted: Fri Apr 23, 2010 3:44 am 
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zeppusclub wrote:
Hi,

You could listen to the trumpet in real time play, with manual vibrato (i do it with the movements of the diaphragm as when i sing ...).

tunes are at :

http://www.zedjazz.biz

regards,


C'est tres bien. Excellente!

Merci beaucoup,

Dan


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